cross posted: comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, comp.mail.eudora.mac 8.0.0b4 seems to have silently crept in on little cat feet:by Carl Sandburg8' is not original Eudora,but is an email client based on Mozilla's Thunderbird,with some added features and GUI elements from Qualcomm's Eudora.It probably installs into its own 'programs' directory,but may use the same default email store as Thunderbird(this may impact use of your other current Thunderbird 'extensions,'since Penelope is based on 'Thunderbird 3'). cross posted: comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, comp.mail.eudora.mac love to hear some user reviews on it.-HankI threw it on my test mac (which had 8.0.0b3 on it).Seems decent - but I didn't try importing anything from previousEudora or really pushing it hard.It didn't crash like the earlier betas did (which I would think hasmore do to with the underlying improvements to T-Bird 3.0.)It's definitely moving forward, I can say that much!- Steve.
cross posted: comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, comp.mail.eudora.mac love to hear some user reviews on it.-HankI threw it on my test mac (which had 8.0.0b3 on it).Seems decent - but I didn't try importing anything from previousEudora or really pushing it hard.It didn't crash like the earlier betas did (which I would think hasmore do to with the underlying improvements to T-Bird 3.0.)It's definitely moving forward, I can say that much!- SteveWhat's new in it? I'm using 8.0.0b3 on my laptop and desktop runningWin XP Home SP3. The one feature I miss is edit message as new. What's new in it? I'm using 8.0.0b3 on my laptop and desktop runningWin XP Home SP3. The one feature I miss is edit message as new. JimFrom the 'readme':-CHANGES IN 8.0.0b4-Includes Penelope version 0.5a1.See for Penelope versionnotes.Using Thunderbird 3.0a3 source code, which was a clone of comm-central.See fordetails.GENERAL NEW FEATURES- Classic Eudora Redirect feature added.
Acts like a Send Again, buttheReply-To: header is set to be the sender of the original message sothat anyreplies to the redirected message get sent to the original sender.This allowsthe user to edit the redirected message before sending, e.g. Addadditionalcomments.- Open windows are now saved between sessions. There is a known bugwhich isthat tabs are only restored on the first window.MAILBOX WINDOW- Mailboxes that receive new messages in them (e.g. From mail checks)now areautomatically opened.
This is controlled by thepenelope.mailbox.autoOpenpreference, and is easily changed via a checkbox in the Penelope panelof thePreferences/Options dialog.- When mailboxes are opened up they automatically select the firstunreadmessage of the last unread block (FUMLUB). This is controlled by thepenelope.mailbox.selectFUMLUB preference, and is easily changed via acheckboxin the Preferences/Options dialog.- Mailbox window font name and size prefs, with new pref ids ofpenelope.mailbox.font.name and penelope.mailbox.font.size. Open windows are now saved between sessions. There is a known bugwhich isthat tabs are only restored on the first window.Wow! Session saving! This is huge. However, the little 'you shoulduse Eudora and not Penelope' for 'maximum compatibility' (huh?
Whatdoes that mean?) sounds ominous to me. More than anything, it soundslike, 'Hey, we really only develop and test on the complete Eudorainstall. Your entire system might be screwed if you don't do that too.' Who wants to install an entire Eudora beta version, when he could run astable Tbird 3 (once it gets out of beta of course) with the Penelopeplugin? Let's hope they fix this as TB 3 becomes a full release.
Session saving! This is huge.
However, the little 'you shoulduse Eudora and not Penelope' for 'maximum compatibility' (huh? Whatdoes that mean?) sounds ominous to me. More than anything, it soundslike, 'Hey, we really only develop and test on the complete Eudorainstall. Your entire system might be screwed if you don't do that too.' Who wants to install an entire Eudora beta version, when he could run astable Tbird 3 (once it gets out of beta of course) with the Penelopeplugin?
Let's hope they fix this as TB 3 becomes a full release.' Penelope' (extension only) does not deliver everything by itself;that's why 'Eudora 8' (TB3 with more code added + Penelope) exists.Qualcomm's testing most likely focuses on everything together,but that doesn't necessarily mean that the extension by itselfis hazardous - you could test that and let everyone else know,just to make sure:).
Session saving! This is huge. However, the little 'you shoulduse Eudora and not Penelope' for 'maximum compatibility' (huh? Whatdoes that mean?) sounds ominous to me. More than anything, it soundslike, 'Hey, we really only develop and test on the complete Eudorainstall.
Your entire system might be screwed if you don't do that too.' Who wants to install an entire Eudora beta version, when he could run astable Tbird 3 (once it gets out of beta of course) with the Penelopeplugin? Let's hope they fix this as TB 3 becomes a full release.'
Penelope' (extension only) does not deliver everything by itself;that's why 'Eudora 8' (TB3 with more code added + Penelope) exists.Qualcomm's testing most likely focuses on everything together,but that doesn't necessarily mean that the extension by itselfis hazardous - you could test that and let everyone else know,just to make sure:)I suppose it's the word 'compatibility' that scares me a bit. If thereare no bad interactions between having TB2 and TB3 on one's machine atthe same time, perhaps i will go ahead and test. Though, it'd be betterto have a test machine - loading and unloading all these apps tends toclog the system. Loading and unloading all these apps tends to clog the system.How? Only applications actually running are using memory (RAM);others only occupy an insignificant amount of disk space,considering how much of my disk remains completely empty.All these apps seem to leave stuff laying about on one's machine whicheventually, somehow, seems to bring it to a standstill (on windows,anyway). Leaving trash in the registry, for example, perhaps randomthings like activex plugins, etc.
I run CCCleaner, and make sure Ialways only have the services and startup apps I want. But in the longrun, that doesn't do the trick.So, while I keep an eye on what I can, there always seems to be garbagethat builds up in the background that is hard to control. After a fewyears of using a machine, I always reinstall the OS, and I always have ahuge sigh of relief afterwards. It's.sooo. much faster.allie. Now I remember why I use a Mac.
No re-installs, no defrags, no registry.I wonder how Bootcamp and the windows emulators do with these issues.Boot Camp is not a Windows emulator or emulation system.It's merely a system that gives the user an easy way to partition hisdrive and to boot from Microsoft's Windows install disc. Once the userboots into Windows, he is on a Windows machine. He's notemulating squat.Boot Camp also gives the user a mechanism for installing hardwaredrivers for the computer he's using.It all works very well, and is NOT emulation.Parallels and VMWare Fusion-those are emulators that allow you toinstall real Windows. But again, it's a real Windows installation.
Allthe crap problems you can have in Windows, you can have in the Windowsthat's installed in the emulators. Now I remember why I use a Mac.
No re-installs, no defrags, no registry.I wonder how Bootcamp and the windows emulators do with these issues.Boot Camp is not a Windows emulator or emulation system.It's merely a system that gives the user an easy way to partition hisdrive and to boot from Microsoft's Windows install disc. Once the userboots into Windows, he is on a Windows machine. He's notemulating squat.Boot Camp also gives the user a mechanism for installing hardwaredrivers for the computer he's using.It all works very well, and is NOT emulation.Parallels and VMWare Fusion-those are emulators that allow you toinstall real Windows.
But again, it's a real Windows installation. Allthe crap problems you can have in Windows, you can have in the Windowsthat's installed in the emulators.And keep in mind that VMWare and Parallels don't emulate windows (that'swine) but a PC.
You can install any OS, not just windows. Linux orFreeBSD works just as well.-maarten. Now I remember why I use a Mac. No re-installs, no defrags, no registry.' No defrags' may just be a result of no one figuring out anefficient way to defrag an ext2fs partition.Depending upon the defrag software and the nature of the filesystem, defragging can either optimize for directory lookup or forsequential file data access.On the Amiga, the file system used a hashed head multiple linkedlist for the directory system; one could defrag to put the file headerblocks (which contain the file name and a list of disk blocks containingthe data) near to the directory blocks - making for faster directorylistings as there was minimal head seeking to find the file name.
Orone could defrag to put the file header next to the data blocks - morehead seeking to get file names for directory listings, but less to movethrough the data itself. Now I remember why I use a Mac. Now I remember why I use a Mac.
No re-installs, no defrags, no registry.Yeah, you just have to buy a new computer every time a new versioncomes out.Actually, that couldn't be farther from the truth.I don't remember when I bought my G4 867 Mhz single processor, but theycame out in July of 2001 and were discontinued in January of 2002, so Imust got it some time in late summer of 2001. I have never upgradedanything on it, and it's running Mac OS 10.5.5 faster and better than itran the system that came on it.
8.x?) I'm getting nervous thatI'll have to replace it sometime relatively soon; the CD/DVD drive isfailing and I doubt the computer is worth the expense of replacing thatdrive. Actually, that couldn't be farther from the truth.I don't remember when I bought my G4 867 Mhz single processor, but theycame out in July of 2001 and were discontinued in January of 2002, so Imust got it some time in late summer of 2001. I have never upgradedanything on it, and it's running Mac OS 10.5.5 faster and better than itran the system that came on it.
8.x?)Exactly my point.Find any Dell, Sony, HP name brand Wintel machine from 2001 that'scapable of running any version of Vista, let alone the complete featureset. (Macintosh doesn't have multiple OS versions with various featuresets; they sell one feature set.). Now I remember why I use a Mac. No re-installs, no defrags, no registry.Yeah, you just have to buy a new computer every time a new versioncomes out.Actually, that couldn't be farther from the truth.I have a Mac G4, circa 1999, that came with a 400Mhz processor in it.The processor has been upgraded, but other than that it runs the currentOS just fine.Sorry, but that doesn't ring quite true.
In my home office wehave one Mac, one PC. My wife uses the Mac, and she was running thesame vintage machine as yours until early this year, when she just ranright up against a wall trying to use any present day applications.She was running OS 9.2.2 and we were advised by knowledgeableMac people not to even try to install any recent version of OSX. As aresult, she was stuck with something like Internet Explorer 6.0 as thelatest version that would work, and that didn't render even simplepages like YouTube pages properly. Screen rendering was painfully slowand frequently failed completely. Her version of Eudora Japanese wasalso failing, and the new version would not install on any OS prior toOSX.
Same for little business essentials like Adobe Acrobat and Skype(she had to use a PC notebook just for Skype). Files in recentversions of MS Office were unviewable or had format changes.It might have been possible to run the bare-bones OSX system,but no advanced applications. We actually began to risk losingbusiness because we couldn't respond using our own office software andhad to use other people's offices to receive and manipulate file data.As a longtime PC/Linux user I was shocked at the sheerdisregard for the concept of backward compatibility. When I mentionedthis to one of the Mac experts above he admitted, somewhat chagrined,that Mac people adopted new technology because they like to, forreasons having nothing to do with usefulness, and therefore Apple wasunafraid to bring out new systems that would not correspond to oldones. Further, until recently, Apple only had something like 3% of thebusiness market (it's risen a fraction lately). This Mac maven saidthat with that minor a presence in the enterprise, they could move oneasily without disrupting too many in-place systems and pissing offtoo many sys admins (who, if they were using Macs across theirenterprises, were probably true believers anyway).Sorry for the long post. Just my opinion.DGI.
I just tried installing Eudora 8.0.0b4.1) Import filters - it doesn't support the 'any hdr' so if you have filtersthat look for text in 'any hdr' they will not import properly to Eudora82) Uninstall - I did an uninstall of Eudora8 after it took 4 hours to importmy mailboxes and didn't complete properly. My Eudora mailboxes are 100MB insize. I did some changes and then did a new install from scratch.
All the imported mailboxes were still there. It would appear thatuninstall doesn't clean out the Documents and Settings -Administrator -Application Data - Thunderbird - Profiles - aapo00er.default - Mailmailxboxes.
It should at least ask if I wish to clena out mailboxes as well.3) Hebrew - Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1255 doesn't displayproperly.4) A few of the errors in the error console:a) Warning: Timed textboxes are deprecated. Consider using type='search'instead.Source File: chrome://messenger/content/messenger.xulLine: 0b) Error: uncaught exception: Exception. 'Component returned failure code:0x80520012 (NSERRORFILENOTFOUND) nsISound.play' nsresult: '0x80520012(NSERRORFILENOTFOUND)' location: 'JS frame::chrome://messenger/content/preferences/general.js:: anonymous:: line 141'data: noc) Warning: Unknown property 'mso-cellspacing'. Declaration dropped.SourceFile:mailbox:///C /Documents%20and%20Settings/Administrator.BSBE5A/Application%20Data/Thunderbird/Profiles/aapo00er.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/machba.sbd/nezeq?number=7348541Line: 0Doesn't look like Eudora 8 is quite ready yet.-Hank. Doesn't look like Eudora 8 is quite ready yet.Well, perhaps it isn't quite ready for full import of all Eudorasettings, etc.
That is some people's sticking point. For me, however,TB imported all my mailboxes from eudora just fine - i didn't have themtagged, etc. And since I only had 10-20 filters, and it was time to gothrough and clean them up anyway, it was no big deal to re-create them.So, I judge Eudora 8 / Penelope on different grounds. And it stilldoesn't measure up to be ready for the big time yet. So, I agree withyou, but for different reasons.My two cents on eudora 8 dev: They've chosen to spend alot of time onimport issues.
However, if they built a platform which was as good orbetter than the old Eudora 7.x, but lacked certain import features, I'llbet they would attract users like you over to the new platformregardless. I'll bet you would be willing to switch over, and put upwith some import bumbling, in order to use a newer platform that wasunder current open-source development. My point is: they should stopworrying about imports so much, and get on with implementing featuresthat made Eudora so great! Doesn't look like Eudora 8 is quite ready yet.Well, perhaps it isn't quite ready for full import of all Eudorasettings, etc. That is some people's sticking point.
For me, however,TB imported all my mailboxes from eudora just fine - i didn't have themtagged, etc. And since I only had 10-20 filters, and it was time to gothrough and clean them up anyway, it was no big deal to re-create them.So, I judge Eudora 8 / Penelope on different grounds. And it stilldoesn't measure up to be ready for the big time yet. So, I agree withyou, but for different reasons.My two cents on eudora 8 dev: They've chosen to spend alot of time onimport issues. However, if they built a platform which was as good orbetter than the old Eudora 7.x, but lacked certain import features, I'llbet they would attract users like you over to the new platformregardless.
I'll bet you would be willing to switch over, and put upwith some import bumbling, in order to use a newer platform that wasunder current open-source development. My point is: they should stopworrying about imports so much, and get on with implementing featuresthat made Eudora so great! Am I wrong?You are probably right. I would rebuild my filters from scratch but I didn'tsee a way to specify in TB how to filter based on a pattern match to anyheader line. So I opened an enhancement request:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showbug.cgi?id=465306-Hank. Doesn't look like Eudora 8 is quite ready yet.Well, perhaps it isn't quite ready for full import of all Eudorasettings, etc.
That is some people's sticking point. For me, however,TB imported all my mailboxes from eudora just fine - i didn't have themtagged, etc. And since I only had 10-20 filters, and it was time to gothrough and clean them up anyway, it was no big deal to re-create them.So, I judge Eudora 8 / Penelope on different grounds. And it stilldoesn't measure up to be ready for the big time yet.
So, I agree withyou, but for different reasons.My two cents on eudora 8 dev: They've chosen to spend alot of time onimport issues. However, if they built a platform which was as good orbetter than the old Eudora 7.x, but lacked certain import features, I'llbet they would attract users like you over to the new platformregardless. I'll bet you would be willing to switch over, and put upwith some import bumbling, in order to use a newer platform that wasunder current open-source development.
My point is: they should stopworrying about imports so much, and get on with implementing featuresthat made Eudora so great! Am I wrong?You are probably right. I would rebuild my filters from scratch but I didn'tsee a way to specify in TB how to filter based on a pattern match to anyjob submitting to bugzilla! And good luck getting it addressed.it's a little daunting when you see how many bug requests there are, andhow slowly they're being taken care of. I just tried installing Eudora 8.0.0b4.Uninstall - I did an uninstall of Eudora8 after it took 4 hours to importmy mailboxes and didn't complete properly. My Eudora mailboxes are 100MB.I did some changes and then did a new install from scratch. All the imported mailboxes were still there.
It would appear thatuninstall doesn't clean out the Documents and Settings -Administrator -Application Data - Thunderbird - Profiles - aapo00er.default - Mailmailxboxes. It should at least ask if I wish to clean out mailboxes as well.Original Eudora likewise does not delete user's mail, files, or settings,even if uninstalled; neither do any other email clients, browsers, etc.that I have ever used, nor will uninstalling any database programremove your own databases - 'uninstall' means removing onlyexactly what was installed, and no more.This permits 'uninstall old, install new' without the shockof losing all of one's personal data, and is normal. I just tried installing Eudora 8.0.0b4.Uninstall - I did an uninstall of Eudora8 after it took 4 hours to importmy mailboxes and didn't complete properly. My Eudora mailboxes are 100MB.I did some changes and then did a new install from scratch. All the imported mailboxes were still there. It would appear thatuninstall doesn't clean out the Documents and Settings -Administrator -Application Data - Thunderbird - Profiles - aapo00er.default - Mailmailxboxes. I have a Mac G4, circa 1999, that came with a 400Mhz processor in it.The processor has been upgraded, but other than that it runs the currentOS just fine.Sorry, but that doesn't ring quite true.
In my home office wehave one Mac, one PC. My wife uses the Mac, and she was running thesame vintage machine as yours until early this year, when she just ranright up against a wall trying to use any present day applications.With an upgraded processor?This machine in question is running a 1.2GHz G4. I have a Mac G4, circa 1999, that came with a 400Mhz processor in it.The processor has been upgraded, but other than that it runs the currentOS just fine.Sorry, but that doesn't ring quite true. In my home office wehave one Mac, one PC. My wife uses the Mac, and she was running thesame vintage machine as yours until early this year, when she just ranright up against a wall trying to use any present day applications.She was running OS 9.2.2 and we were advised by knowledgeableMac people not to even try to install any recent version of OSX.Then your knowledgeable people failed you. A G4/400 could install andrun Mac OS 10.4, no problems.
Sorry, but that doesn't ring quite true. In my home office wehave one Mac, one PC. My wife uses the Mac, and she was running thesame vintage machine as yours until early this year, when she just ranright up against a wall trying to use any present day applications.She was running OS 9.2.2 and we were advised by knowledgeableMac people not to even try to install any recent version of OSX.Then your knowledgeable people failed you. A G4/400 could install andrun Mac OS 10.4, no problems.I agree.
It might have had real problems with Mac OS 10.1, which IMOwas not ready for prime time, but 10.4 and 10.5 perform much better,even on older hardware. If your machine is beige, then no, it won't run well-throw it away. Ifit's blue, it's questionable. If it's gray, things will run fine.I never realized that the colors were relevant. Itsits waiting to be put into some kind of service, someday.
I believethat if I ever want to build a small network it could still proveuseful for something. It has a nine hundred some-odd mhz. Processor ifI recall.Thanks, DGIBeware of machines in Designer colors. They stop working when the next fadhits. Just because an application is made to run on Windowsdoesn't mean it can't act smart, and Eudora did:)You know, you bring up an interesting point.There's lots of talk about how there are so many.more. applicationsavailable for Windows than for Macintosh.
BUT: how many.smart.applications, as you put it, are available for Windows vs. Macintosh?I mean, anyone can program junk. But if you limit yoursearch to so-called 'smart' software that's very well written.Whether or not an application is smart is one thing. Whether it's theonly one that will do the trick is another.Smart apps might make a difference when you have a smorgasbord to choosefrom across platforms - email clients, web browswers, word processors,spreadsheets, graphic design, video editing, etc.But then there are other times where you don't have a choice. I have todo geographic work, for example - there's just no replacement for ArcGISon a mac, aside from boot camp.
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I'm sure there are a ton of otherexamples like that. I mean, anyone can program junk.
But if you limit yoursearch to so-called 'smart' software that's very well written.Whether or not an application is smart is one thing. Whether it's theonly one that will do the trick is another.Smart apps might make a difference when you have a smorgasbord to choosefrom across platforms - email clients, web browswers, word processors,spreadsheets, graphic design, video editing, etc.But then there are other times where you don't have a choice. I have todo geographic work, for example - there's just no replacement for ArcGISon a mac, aside from boot camp.
I'm sure there are a ton of otherexamples like that.DVDFab is another. Its functionality can't be reproduced by anything onthe Mac platform.I have a Windows virtual machine installed on my Mac for just such anoccasion.Remember-more isn't better. Only better is better. Use the right toolfor the job. And who cares about the underlying OS. Now, I truly don'thave to. Any Windows application is now by definition a Mac applicationfor me.
Now I remember why I use a Mac. No re-installs, no defrags, no registry.Yeah, you just have to buy a new computer every time a new versioncomes out.A new version of what?Anti Virus Software.
11 years agoOK. I open Console, click on Clear Display, and select All Messages. Eudora has one window open, entitled 'InBox'. Quit of Eudora gives no messages.Restart of Eudora gives the two messages (under All Messages) previously listed, and two windows entitled 'Eudora' and 'Sent'. The 'Eudora' window has, in addition, a drop-down panel that talks about 'Alert This folder is being processed. Please wait until processing is complete to get messages.'
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And an OK button to dismiss it.That's it, sorry. 10 years agoWith the latest version of Eudora (8.0b7), all my IMAP windows open up on first start and all subsequent starts. However, I reduced the number of startup windows by going to Tools - Penelope Options. There, I have just UNchecked 'automatically open windows that receive new messages.'
That reduced the number of windows opening to about four. I THINK they are the Inbox and perhaps the three other windows that receive new messages via Gmail's filtering process. I'll try to recheck that. 10 years agoI just did recheck. Before closing Eudora and re-starting, I made sure ALL folders were set to 'Mark folder read.' Then I closed and re-started. And about 15 folders popped open when I started up again.
This never happens in Thunderbird (my primary mailer until/unless Eudora 8 is fixed). So there is clearly a folder opening design difference between Thunderbird and Eudora (or Penelope? - I've never used an application called 'Penelope.' Sorry to report all this - is there another setting someplace I should try?
Bbriley AT gmail.com. 10 years ago(In reply to ) By default, Eudora uses my Thunderbird account for starting up. Normally I'd not like that, but in this case it helped. When Thunderbird starts up in my Gmail IMAP account, I only get ONE window opening up. When Eudora 8b4 starts up, I get 28 windows opening up (one for each IMAP folder.Mine happened during my first opening after I set up my Gmail account using IMAP. However, I was able to close all but one of those windows, and about 5 minutes later it ceased.
It's stable now - weird!